ehren. Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Are you planning on releasing reports which outline what code has been changed in themes when new versions are released? It's understandable that they weren't released for beta's and RC's, however they're pretty vital now that we've reached final, and there has never been a proper answer despite being asked a few times.There were code changes between 4.0.0 and 4.0.1 which weren't announced and had to be found manually.. I'm sure a "difference report" like those available in 3.x would be greatly appreciated by many theme designers like myself.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heosforo Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Yes please, I'm stuck waiting for this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehren. Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 4.0.2 was released 2 days ago and there are still no announcements on theme updates. I feel like this is something that needs to be addressed asap. We're not in beta anymore - these are "fully supported releases" according to the release notes, yet there hasn't been any documentation or replies from staff regarding theme updates. Version 4.0.3 is currently in development and this is something which needs to be included with the next release notes, it's not something that can be added down the track.This is not only vital for myself, but for all serious designers. We can't release themes for 4.x if they already contain outdated code.. @Tom Christian, @Pete T, @IBTheme, @steve00, @Sinistra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BomAleold Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 there is a page with versions of ips product that integrate some info such as:1. difference template2. list of bug solved on tracker3. date of release4. whatever you have planned5. other useful thing to help developing (tot/last commits,...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehren. Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 there is a page with versions of ips product that integrate some info such as:1. difference template2. list of bug solved on tracker3. date of release4. whatever you have planned5. other useful thing to help developing (tot/last commits,...)Please link me if 'difference reports' already exist. I'm aware of the Documentation, Bug Tracker, Release Notes and Feature Plan - but I'm not aware of any areas with difference reports for themes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Christian Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I'm still working on RC7 due to this.It is possible to manually generate our own difference reports using version control. However, there's currently a horrible issue whereby enabling / disabling designers mode will change the date modified of every single file therefore rendering version control useless along with the ability to generate our own reports.@Charles - Is it possible to get some official confirmation on whether IPS intends on doing anything regarding this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirill N Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinistra Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I think it was back on Beta 5 I was designing a theme that when I upgraded to beta 6 some IDs and Classes had changed. so I had to go find out what got changed I think this would be good to know. to keep us from having to take time from finding what has been changed a release note of what has been changed would help us in the long run. Even putting CSS in the custom area to keep our custom stuff from being overwritten dose not help when a class or ID is changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZakRhyno Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 4.0.2 was released 2 days ago and there are still no announcements on theme updates. I feel like this is something that needs to be addressed asap. We're not in beta anymore - these are "fully supported releases" according to the release notes, yet there hasn't been any documentation or replies from staff regarding theme updates. Version 4.0.3 is currently in development and this is something which needs to be included with the next release notes, it's not something that can be added down the track.This is not only vital for myself, but for all serious designers. We can't release themes for 4.x if they already contain outdated code.. @Tom Christian, @Pete T, @IBTheme, @steve00, @Sinistra@ehren. It has not been publicly announcement yet as is in delta release. I would chill out as they are working on bug fixes before it it main line release. So chillax a bit and wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Christian Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 @ehren. It has not been publicly announcement yet as is in delta release. I would chill out as they are working on bug fixes before it it main line release. So chillax a bit and wait.That's irrelevant. 4.0 is readily available to the public which means we are already under huge pressure to release our themes. I receive several e-mails a day regarding this. In fact, I've had people that are angry with me that my themes aren't available yet (which of course is completely insane).Waiting for bugs to be fixed before worrying about the re-implementation of a completely missing key feature of the 3x series is not practical for me whatsoever. I'm not even sure how we've got this far without this feature being added back. I'm sure @ehren. even reminded IPS all the way back during the BETAs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZakRhyno Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I can't speak for IPS but it is what it is.Hopefully they get to you soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Christian Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I can't speak for IPS but it is what it is.Hopefully they get to you soon. Yep, me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehren. Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 @ehren. It has not been publicly announcement yet as is in delta release. I would chill out as they are working on bug fixes before it it main line release. So chillax a bit and wait. If I didn't have thousands of my own customers to cater for, I'd be happy to chillax - however I always aim to provide fast support and upgrades for my paying customers, and this is one of the main hurdles preventing me from doing that. This feature is needed sooner rather than later, hence the reason for this feedback topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinistra Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 If I didn't have thousands of my own customers to cater for, I'd be happy to chillax - however I always aim to provide fast support and upgrades for my paying customers, and this is one of the main hurdles preventing me from doing that. This feature is needed sooner rather than later, hence the reason for this feedback topic. I would have to agree I get a few PMs aday asking when I am going to release my themes and I tell them I am working on it I don't like telling people to wait ether but it has come to that with this. I was able to release my footer block before final which in all accounts was a good move but I am still workiong on things for that pulgin that have template elements that I want to bring in like background images and allowing them to change colors via the settings but can't do this without a full outline of how to write settings and CSS edits that work we can't complete our designs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flitterkill Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (which of course is completely insane). I've been through over ten years of IPB/IPS upgrades and it still astounds me how people could imagine custom skins would be upgraded in time for the initial release.Even more so when for the most part upgrades have mainly been free."Hey! I gave you 15 dollars three years ago. Where's my new skin? 4.0 has been released for 6 days now!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinistra Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 I've been through over ten years of IPB/IPS upgrades and it still astounds me how people could imagine custom skins would be upgraded in time for the initial release.Even more so when for the most part upgrades have mainly been free."Hey! I gave you 15 dollars three years ago. Where's my new skin? 4.0 has been released for 6 days now!"I remember when IPS was free and no I have never gotten any of my custom work out on or before release. I don't think that is what we are talking about here if you spent hours of work on a theme just to have some small element changed that can throw development back a few hours if not days. Unlike some people I don't have a job. I goto school but do you think I have the time to go "Ooops! IPS changed the code again I guess I will have to spend hours looking for the change" Honesty I could if I didn't have reports and homework to do but I don't This isn't about getting skins out on time it's about the work we put in and we get an upgrade and something has changed and nothing is said. this doesn't only hurt Skinners but developers as well for any template related hook or plugin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehren. Posted April 30, 2015 Author Share Posted April 30, 2015 Despite other show-stopping bugs with the theme system which are preventing my themes from being released, I still have my fingers crossed that we'll at least be notified of changes for 4.0.3 which is due for release in a couple of days. Can one staff member please just clarify what steps are being made to help designers with upgrades? While I'm sure this topic has been seen by staff, it has seemingly gone without assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZakRhyno Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Maybe put it in as a bug and they see it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Christian Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Maybe put it in as a bug and they see it?I'm sure they're aware. Ehren & I have made numerous posts directed towards staff members in multiple topics. I'm guessing the simple answer is that it's not a top priority at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesignzShop Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 Yep, all the way from Designers mode to JS there's issues in getting themes to the public. And who knows what's going to happen in 4.0.4. The way things have gone for designers people may not get any themes until well after 4.0.4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-FP Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Found this in the language strings. For some reason the difference report feature is not available yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Christian Posted May 7, 2015 Share Posted May 7, 2015 Found this in the language strings. For some reason the difference report feature is not available yet. Yep, there was even a button for it in the early BETA's IIRC. Not sure whether it did anything or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ehren. Posted May 8, 2015 Author Share Posted May 8, 2015 4.0.3 and 4.0.4 have been released, both without theme documentation. I'm not normally one who keeps bumping topics, but since we're still no closer to receiving a response from staff, I almost have no choice at the moment. We're now 5 versions into a supported release, and while I'm sure this topic has been seen by the developers, a lack of a reply is becoming quite disappointing to be honest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deathstarr Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 I dont make anything but this is the reason I am not upgrading no themes that are great for the software. Kinda makes me want to run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izaya Orihara Posted May 8, 2015 Share Posted May 8, 2015 Those who know me, know I am a very vocal supporter of IPS but this course of action is a bit bewildering. I know I am not the only individual who is eagerly awaiting IPB4 on our live site but it is unfortunate that we don't really have any premium themes to choose from. It seems the designers are wanting to release their products but they are lost about any changes/what changes and it leaves us customers in limbo.I am just a bit surprised that not only is there a lack of response here but also that we're already at 4.0.4 and there is still no official gold launch. I just hate to see IPS indirectly killing their own momentum before it has a chance to take off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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