I want IP.Torrent for 50 USD

[xbp-tpn]

Just a question, if you really want this feature why not just ask a developer to make it for your community?

[RPG-support]

I am just doing it here and here.

[Dylan Riggs]

That's not true at all. I can think of religious organizations, educational organizations, home video/audio/electronic books users ( (w00t) ) and more that use torrents. Torrents are widely understood concepts - everyone wants to share the content or write some thoughts. Present IPS products simply miss this idea and pushing users to use out of date conceptions, like IP.Gallery and IP.Donwloads and this out of date apps. are not advanced in the functionality. So, I did not see any IPS products based comunity where this applications are popular. You have IP.Board empire as this is the only product which is still popular. But as I said above the time of the general forum concept is somewhere in the 2005-2007s - it's not a bad idea, it's just dying.

;)

Show me some of these, please. I would LOVE to see a religious or audio/video/electronic book site that puts all their resources into torrents and allow this. No, buddy. I think you want to release a torrent site for illegal,piracy using IPB's software..... but I could be wrong

[xbp-tpn]

The problem is, this addon would require a decent amount of effort on any developer's part and most developers would realize that an addon for torrents that costs 50$ wont be bought by many people. So you should offer the developer at least a half decent amount to make this application so that you at least cover 50% of the development cost.

@Dylan Riggs

I wouldn't really say that anyone buying this app would have negative intentions because there are many websites that use torrents for file distribution e.g. different distributions of linux. A concept of a torrent tracker could work well if the community in question is active enough. This would distribute the job of file uploading to multiple users thus saving the admins of a forum the cost of bandwidth + servers. And depending on the number of people who use such a system, file distribution can be rather effortless and faster as compared to distributing from a single server. There are many many benefits of a torrent tracker but this is a feature not many people would be interested in.

[Makoto]

I'm out and expecting this thread to be locked soon.

OP is completely unreasonable.

[Jυra]

No, buddy. I think you want to release a torrent site for illegal,piracy using IPB's software..... but I could be wrong

To think Kirito says that I say rude things...

I do not have any examples at the moment, but there are many legit sites that distribute their games and content with torrents.

[Dylan Riggs]

The problem is, this addon would require a decent amount of effort on any developer's part and most developers would realize that an addon for torrents that costs 50$ wont be bought by many people. So you should offer the developer at least a half decent amount to make this application so that you at least cover 50% of the development cost.

@Dylan Riggs

I wouldn't really say that anyone buying this app would have negative intentions because there are many websites that use torrents for file distribution e.g. different distributions of linux. A concept of a torrent tracker could work well if the community in question is active enough. This would distribute the job of file uploading to multiple users thus saving the admins of a forum the cost of bandwidth + servers. And depending on the number of people who use such a system, file distribution can be rather effortless and faster as compared to distributing from a single server. There are many many benefits of a torrent tracker but this is a feature not many people would be interested in.

Oh, I know that torrents can have a potential for great things over normal old fashioned downloads, the sad thing is, it's like a 100/1 factor where the 100 are for piracy reasons. It would only make things even more difficult to stop pirates in general, something that I doubt IPB would want to support. I'm not saying it isn't out there or that sites are 'legit'

But from the attitiude of the OP, the price point he wants to pay for something as fancy/powerful as a torrent track, I'm only judging his intentions are not 'legal' -- I don't mean it in an offensive way, I'm only judging.... whether wrong or right it doesn't matter.

[RPG-support]

Show me some of these, please. I would LOVE to see a religious or audio/video/electronic book site that puts all their resources into torrents and allow this. No, buddy. I think you want to release a torrent site for illegal,piracy using IPB's software..... but I could be wrong

I do not think that this is the metter of any personal likes or dislikes. I have my own site http://www.a108.net/ - you can check Video section or Downloads section. Any claim that I want to distribute something illegal is nonsence.

You should not think about unknown people on the basis of your own shortcomings. To your better understanding, if someone is opening the photo gallery site, this is not so that he will publish pornography.

[RPG-support]

The problem is, this addon would require a decent amount of effort on any developer's part and most developers would realize that an addon for torrents that costs 50$ wont be bought by many people. So you should offer the developer at least a half decent amount to make this application so that you at least cover 50% of the development cost.

I have strong prejudice to not order something personally from any single developer or some company. I am using only programs from the box (paid any free). You сan see the example of the reasonable price of one product I purchased >here. And this is the example of how it is working. I think that torrent tracker should not cost more.

I wouldn't really say that anyone buying this app would have negative intentions because there are many websites that use torrents for file distribution e.g. different distributions of linux. A concept of a torrent tracker could work well if the community in question is active enough. This would distribute the job of file uploading to multiple users thus saving the admins of a forum the cost of bandwidth + servers. And depending on the number of people who use such a system, file distribution can be rather effortless and faster as compared to distributing from a single server. There are many many benefits of a torrent tracker but this is a feature not many people would be interested in.

This is the first rational answer in this topic.

I hope IPS staff will take this reasonable words into account.

[Dmacleo]

few months back there was discussion on torrent type links and making them work, find that post and see if the author ever did anything on his/her site with it.

[Michael]

I hope IPS staff will take this reasonable words into account.

They already said they probably wouldn't be making this: >

Just because you want it does not mean it's something IPS should make.

[RPG-support]

It would only make things even more difficult to stop pirates in general

Any attempt to stop the progress is like to urinate against the wind. Meanwhile you will continue to purchase out of date products.

[RPG-support]

They already said they probably wouldn't be making this: >

Just because you want it does not mean it's something IPS should make.

This is not the metter of my personal desire only. There is global comunity and here is the place of Community Suite Feedback. So this is rather feedback. I am not claiming anynything. I am just saying that if there will be not something conceptually new from IPS in the near future, you will not be able to sell something here, because all present concepts like IP.Board, etc. are somewhere in the 2005-2007.

[Ryan H.]

For what it's worth, PHP doesn't make a very good tracker platform. Client updates can easily scale beyond what Apache and PHP can practically handle. Even Gazelle, probably the most successful PHP-based torrent framework, does not include the actual tracker. That was implemented in C++ as a standalone web service (ocelot).

There is also the question of market, and I think the others are justified in saying it is probably lacking as far as a business opportunity.

[Makoto]

For what it's worth, PHP doesn't make a very good tracker platform. Client updates can easily scale beyond what Apache and PHP can practically handle. Even Gazelle, probably the most successful PHP-based torrent framework, does not include the actual tracker. That was implemented in C++ as a standalone web service (ocelot).

Yep yep, that's exactly why I recommended against it. There are at least a few good C++ or C trackers out there today I think.

PHP based trackers may be okay for smaller networks, but you will probably have a lot of trouble trying to scale with it.

Like I said, I've considered setting up a tracker on my server myself and planned on just using IP.Downloads as a pretty front-end for managing and sorting the .torrent's. I would not use a PHP based tracker unless I absolutely had to.

To think Kirito says that I say rude things...

The OP is being the very definition of unreasonable. He..

• Expects IPS to develop him a tracker platform
• Refuses to accept that IPS has stated they have no interest in developing a tracker based platform at this time
• Refuses to do any work himself
• Expects someone to give him something that will do everything he wants out of the box for free

Call it rude if you want, it's still accurate.

[Dylan Riggs]

Any attempt to stop the progress is like to urinate against the wind. Meanwhile you will continue to purchase out of date products.

There is no 'progress' to be made by using torrents on a small scale. Why do you think torrent sites are not very big/popular at all compared to many upon many 'out of date' file downloads out there? Because of user base, those sites target small, niche audiences where torrents will only IMPACT NEGATIVELY vs's using the 'old fashioned' tried and true method of simply clicking to download from a server. Those websites don't have the user capacity to make torrents something revolutionary.

On the flip side, 1000's upon 1000's want paid stuff, for free -- hence why torrents are great use for illegal things. You're assuming every person who has an IPB forum wants the same content, or every person who has a gallery wants pornography, I merely stated a judgment, I've seen these requests in the past, nearly 90% of which were for illegal activity that was simply 'lied about' -- You might want it for something legit, who knows... either way. It most likely will be a complete failure unless you have a user base of the 100,000's. At that rate, you wouldn't be using a forum board nor a CMS, everything would be custom.

[ᴡᴅツ]

People visit YouTube and other media streaming websites more than both forums and torrent trackers. Where's IPB's media streaming application? (IP.Gallery doesn't count, it has extremely limited support for this and not in the sense that I'm talking about)

I think there's more demand for this than there is for torrent trackers, but this is, again, something that very few people will be able to really take advantage of. (An application like this would require a server with ffmpeg support, something very rarely available on shared hosting)

Now when you're talking about torrent trackers, not only is this something with little demand to start with, but many shared hosts also have policies against hosting torrent trackers on their networks, regardless of the purpose. If you don't believe me, go through the Terms of Service pages of some popular shared hosting websites. You'll probably find something like this:

So not only is tracker software something with little demand, it's something many clients will be unable to take advantage of anyways.

If you still want to wait for IPS to develop an IP.Tracker application for you, feel free, but I think it's been explained that this is something unlikely to be added anytime soon.

The unofficial tracker application aljareh4ever posted might be something you should look into though.

Edit: I'm not a lawyer.

Actually, you can get around this ToS issue by only issuing magnet links instead of torrent files. They, technically, are just hash strings and do not require trackers. Instead, you can create a IP.Content database, make it wiki editable, and start posting your magnet links.

[Jυra]

A lot of the add-ons (not just ones from IPS) are used piracy as they already are. Allowing IP Downloads to do something better in addition to what it does won't change much.

If the reason why IP Downloads isn't adapted for torrents is piracy, then the choice not to is symbolic. The thing is used for downloads, so guess what some people use it for?

[Misi]

The thing is used for downloads, so guess what some people use it for?

Most often for Linux distros... :tongue:

[Makoto]

The reason an IP.Tracker platform isn't being developed has nothing to do with piracy, it's because there isn't any demand for it, it's a niche based product that extremely few people will use.

Can't understand what's so complicated about this. Go back and read the last three pages of staff replies.

[bfarber]

The reason an IP.Tracker platform isn't being developed has nothing to do with piracy, it's because there isn't any demand for it, it's a niche based product that extremely few people will use.

Can't understand what's so complicated about this. Go back and read the last three pages of staff replies.

This.

We have nothing against legal use of torrents. Plenty of things are used illegally when they have a perfectly legitimate use.

There is simply no market for this amongst our customers at this time, best we can tell, and we have a very large list of things we *do* believe there is a market for. For those reasons, we do not have any immediate plans to invest development time into a torrent tracker.

This isn't meant to be rude or short of course - just to the point. :) If you have a need for a torrent tracker built into our platform I would strongly encourage you to hire a third party developer to build one. It is unlikely we will have one available in-house in the near future.